how long was another god worshiped at the kaaba before mohammad captured mecca?
the 7th century is well recorded and we know that the moon god,allah, was worshiped at the kaaba when mohammad captured mecca. so how long was the moon god,allah, worship at the kaaba. some say it was thousands of years. if you don’t know about the moon god,allah, please! don’t make up lies.
You must realize that the History of Arabia that were to be found in the traditions - hadiths, were all destroyed by the Muslims under the Caliph Uthman so that the did not reveal the Truth of the earlier History of the Kaaba and the pagan roots of most of what Mohammad taught them.
However, based upon the sketchy details that are left behind, which are actually supported in the Qur’an itself, we can conclude :-
1] that the Cult of al Lah, al Lat, al Uzza and al Manat was under a century old when Mohammad was born, because that was the same year that Abraha, King of Yemen led an attack on Mecca and the new Pagan cult of the Moon God - al Lah in the Kaaba, because the new Cult was taking away people from the flock of the then Christian Kingdom of Yemen from the time of his father.
2] While the Muslims will deny this, the fact is that the Kaaba was built by the bani al Quraish Keepers of the Kaaba to enshrine the al Hajarul Aswad, the meteoric stone that landed near Mecca and was taken to be the Sign of the God and enshrined in the Kaaba which was built for it.
There were also 360 idols of the Divine family of al Lah and his daughters that were placed in many places in the Kaaba that Mohammad claimed he’d destroyed. If this hadn’t been the Temple of al Lah and his daughters, but, like the Muslims today claim, it was built by Adam, then, how come the idols that Mohammad smashed? Mohammad, actually wanted to put himself in the same position of Abraham who had destroyed the idols that his father made which was their family business; but then, that is a different topic.
Also, read Qur’an 53:19-23, you’ll find the Goddesses mentioned right there, but, today, the Muslims call them the Satanic Verses.
Infact, when Caliph Uthman destroyed all old manuscripts and created his new, edited Sahih al Qur’an, he deleted two whole chapters [surahs] that detailed this subject.
3] Mohammad changed the direction of the prayers - the qiblah from the original position of Jerusalem to the Kaaba of Mecca, and brought back the pagan rituals of the Tawaf - walking anti-clockwise [the Witches Walk] around the Kaaba and the kissing of the Kaaba stone after which the Pilgrimage is named - the Haj.
It is not like the Muslims are unaware of the fact that the Kaaba was destroyed during it’s existence, once by natural disaster and one be Caliph Yasid bin Muwaiyya and the Ummayads, which is why the once rectangular building is now a square shaped cube [because ibne Zubay'r who rebuilt it, didn't have enough money].
Hope this helped.
EDIT
I forgot, Mohammad re-entered Mecca after the Battle of al Bad’r, where he had shown such violence that the People of Mecca, many of whom were his own relatives of the bani al Quraish Tribe to which he belonged even offered him the young bride - Maimuna al Harith, whom he married, so that he would not have them slaughtered and looted.
I have read all the hadiths, but never seen the one Gento Shimakka said exists. The hadiths do mention the destruction of 360 idols by Mohammad and praise him as a true son of Abraham [since Mohammad was descended from Ishmael]. Another small correction is that the Valley of Baca or Baka means the Valley of Weeping [Baca] and Mecca is not in a Valley. The actual zam zam spring [it was not a well] was in present day Beersheba in Israel. The spring is what provides their water supply and it is credited to have sprung from under the toes of the thirsty Ishmael while his mother - Hagar was frantically running around to fin water for her swooning son according to the Jewish texts.
Roger, of course is fixated upon his tales about Jesus which either he read somewhere or, perhaps, created himself.
EDIT AGAIN
Gento, don’t you think that you Muslims should wait till the day that we kaffirs are truly your dhimmi before saying things like that? In another couple of decades we’ll see this dream of the Muslims ruling over the dhimmi getting it’s dues, though.
Permit me to enlighten you, O Mighty and Wise Muslim, that a lot of us have, actually studied your Religion and we do know more than enough about it.
One of the main things that I don’t like about you Muslims is your arrogance and your delusion of grandeur.
I used to respect Muslims earlier, but, thanks to people like you, my respect for the Muslims is always touching a new low.
However, I do still respect a couple of Muslims, though that is as individuals and they really don’t behave like you normal Muslims, but, are very sincere and polite and command our respect and we, in turn, give them our sincerity and are polite with them.
May 12th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Egypt was a very powerful land in those times and the egyptions worshiped a God named RAA. This God spread it’s wings to other parts of arabia as well. When the egyption empire started losing power RAA started dying out and Al-lah had it’s birth. Now that’s the God Mohammad knew
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May 12th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
A hadith from the collection of al-Bukhari:
On the authority of ibn Abbas, he said:
When the Messenger of God (s.w.t) entered Makka, he refused to go inside the House (Ka’ba) while there were still gods in it. And he stated his orders, and they removed, and a picture of
Abraham and Ishmael with arrows (lots)in their hands was removed.
And the Prophet (saw) said: May God strike them dead. Surely, they knew that they (Abraham and Ishmael) never cast lots! Then, he entered the House, and said Allahu Akbar in every part of the House and departed without praying in it.
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17I didn’t say a word, not even to the men in Jerusalem who were apostles before I was. Instead, I went at once to
Arabia, and afterwards I returned to Damascus.
Bible
Galatians 1:17(New Living Translation)
And Why the hack Paul visited Arabia? Perhaps hes on holiday.
Another Al-Azraqi, who is not renowned as a hadith scholar, includes the following account without mentioning his sources:
1. In the Ka’ba, there were pictures of the prophets, and pictures of trees (shajar) and pictures of angels, and there was a picture of Ibrahim al-Khalil [Abraham] . . . and picture of Isa ibn Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) and his mother(Mary) , and a picture of the angels. So when it was the day of opening of Makka, the Messenger of God entered, and he sent al-Fadl ibn al-Abbas ibn Abd al-Mutallib to get water of Zamzam, then he ordered a piece of cloth, and he ordered the erasing of these pictures, and they were erased.
Significant of Makkah in The Bible
5. Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6. Who passing through the valley of BACA make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
Psalm 84:5-6 (KJV)
Baca is Mecca and the well is Zam Zam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamzam_Well
Edit @ Roger
Mate thats not the point. Dont get me wrong. The point is Paul did visited Arabia and for what? What im posting is to present some of the "GODS" in the Kaaba.
Edit @ Mike
Heres another Albert Einstein
"I have read all the hadiths, "
OH Purleesss.. you making a fool of yourself. Stop doing that.
Edit: @ Mike
Dont you dare think that Muslims are stupid. Covering your words with the better ones does not make you a better one. Judging from your words… you are not sincere in your debates. I am judging from your words and i reply appropriately.
you degrading Islam up to 80% of your massage then at the end, you post A link about The Prophet (saw). You are contradicting yourself. Like i said earlier, you are naive. And yes i can catch your balls. We Muslims ALSO know much about Christianity. Do you forget The Bible is in English.
There are tonnes of Hadith collection and you claiming you read it all?? Aishah wife to the Prophet(saw) herself contributed about 2000 of it!! So stop making a fool of yourself.
With that flaws.. you are not worth debating.
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May 12th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
The one and only GOD called ALLAH has been worshiped in MECCA ever since ADAM the first civilized human being built the KAABA there, Where did you get this moon god piece of s**t from? then you say (we know) who are you? and what do you think you know? Abraham worshiped the same ALLAH in Mecca and he started the ritual of pilgrimage, Moses have lived and died there and worshiped ALLAH with his faithful followers, ISSA the real prophet of Christianity have lived and died there and worshiped ALLAH not your fake God Emanuel JESUS. If you want to know anything then you better learn about the big lie called Modern Christianity.
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@PAUL spent three years in ARABIA where he learnt about true Christianity of ISSA before going back with his new religious invention that made the son of the carpenter and sophia a son of God who is going to save his followers a little fake God was born they named him JESUS
@Gento mate you’re contradicting yourself, the real prophet is ISSA the fake one invented by Paul is JESUS who is the son of the carpenter or most probably the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier called Bandra after he spent some time with his mother Sophia who became later the virgin Mary, funny though John’s Gospel said his aunt was called Mary, these guys had only one name for all women?
May 12th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
You are right..thr were other deities worshipped in Holy Mecca for a very long time until Muhammad(SAWS) cleared Mecca of all this.
Allah means One god in Arabic. So, if it was a statue of Moon deity he will called Moon god or anyother…
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May 12th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
You must realize that the History of Arabia that were to be found in the traditions - hadiths, were all destroyed by the Muslims under the Caliph Uthman so that the did not reveal the Truth of the earlier History of the Kaaba and the pagan roots of most of what Mohammad taught them.
However, based upon the sketchy details that are left behind, which are actually supported in the Qur’an itself, we can conclude :-
1] that the Cult of al Lah, al Lat, al Uzza and al Manat was under a century old when Mohammad was born, because that was the same year that Abraha, King of Yemen led an attack on Mecca and the new Pagan cult of the Moon God - al Lah in the Kaaba, because the new Cult was taking away people from the flock of the then Christian Kingdom of Yemen from the time of his father.
2] While the Muslims will deny this, the fact is that the Kaaba was built by the bani al Quraish Keepers of the Kaaba to enshrine the al Hajarul Aswad, the meteoric stone that landed near Mecca and was taken to be the Sign of the God and enshrined in the Kaaba which was built for it.
There were also 360 idols of the Divine family of al Lah and his daughters that were placed in many places in the Kaaba that Mohammad claimed he’d destroyed. If this hadn’t been the Temple of al Lah and his daughters, but, like the Muslims today claim, it was built by Adam, then, how come the idols that Mohammad smashed? Mohammad, actually wanted to put himself in the same position of Abraham who had destroyed the idols that his father made which was their family business; but then, that is a different topic.
Also, read Qur’an 53:19-23, you’ll find the Goddesses mentioned right there, but, today, the Muslims call them the Satanic Verses.
Infact, when Caliph Uthman destroyed all old manuscripts and created his new, edited Sahih al Qur’an, he deleted two whole chapters [surahs] that detailed this subject.
3] Mohammad changed the direction of the prayers - the qiblah from the original position of Jerusalem to the Kaaba of Mecca, and brought back the pagan rituals of the Tawaf - walking anti-clockwise [the Witches Walk] around the Kaaba and the kissing of the Kaaba stone after which the pilgrimage is named - the Haj.
It is not like the Muslims are unaware of the fact that the Kaaba was destroyed during it’s existence, once by natural disaster and one be Caliph Yasid bin Muwaiyya and the Ummayads, which is why the once rectangular building is now a square shaped cube [because ibne Zubay'r who rebuilt it, didn't have enough money].
Hope this helped.
EDIT
I forgot, Mohammad re-entered Mecca after the Battle of al Bad’r, where he had shown such violence that the People of Mecca, many of whom were his own relatives of the bani al Quraish Tribe to which he belonged even offered him the young bride - Maimuna al Harith, whom he married, so that he would not have them slaughtered and looted.
I have read all the hadiths, but never seen the one Gento Shimakka said exists. The hadiths do mention the destruction of 360 idols by Mohammad and praise him as a true son of Abraham [since Mohammad was descended from Ishmael]. Another small correction is that the Valley of Baca or Baka means the Valley of Weeping [Baca] and Mecca is not in a Valley. The actual zam zam spring [it was not a well] was in present day Beersheba in Israel. The spring is what provides their water supply and it is credited to have sprung from under the toes of the thirsty Ishmael while his mother - Hagar was frantically running around to fin water for her swooning son according to the Jewish texts.
Roger, of course is fixated upon his tales about Jesus which either he read somewhere or, perhaps, created himself.
EDIT AGAIN
Gento, don’t you think that you Muslims should wait till the day that we kaffirs are truly your dhimmi before saying things like that? In another couple of decades we’ll see this dream of the Muslims ruling over the dhimmi getting it’s dues, though.
Permit me to enlighten you, O Mighty and Wise Muslim, that a lot of us have, actually studied your Religion and we do know more than enough about it.
One of the main things that I don’t like about you Muslims is your arrogance and your delusion of grandeur.
I used to respect Muslims earlier, but, thanks to people like you, my respect for the Muslims is always touching a new low.
However, I do still respect a couple of Muslims, though that is as individuals and they really don’t behave like you normal Muslims, but, are very sincere and polite and command our respect and we, in turn, give them our sincerity and are polite with them.
References :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
http://brotherpete.com/index.php?topic=1050.0