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In an attempt to prove that the Holy Bible encourages lying a Muslim user quoted the Bible ( Romans 3:7 ) as, Romans 3:7 (King James Version)

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?"

Granted the INCOMPLETE quotation is correct, how do you campare this statement of Saint Paul with the following satements of Allah/Muhammad in terms of encouraging deceit ( Taqiyya )?

Qur’an 5:41 "Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them."

Qur’an 9:3 "Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations."

Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’"

Qur’an 66:2 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."

Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’"

Qur’an 4:142 "Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."

Ishaq:519 "Hajjaj said to the Apostle, ‘I have money scattered among the Meccan merchants, so give me permission to go and get it.’ Having got Muhammad’s permission, he said, ‘I must tell lies.’ The Apostle said, ‘Tell them.’"

Bukhari:V4B53N453 "When the Prophet wanted to perform the Umrah, the Quraysh stipulated that he could not preach (Islam). So Ali started writing a treaty. ‘This is what Muhammad, Apostle of Allah, has agreed to.’ The (Meccans) said, ‘If we believed that you were the Apostle of Allah we would have followed you. So write, ‘This is what Muhammad bin Abdallah has agreed to.’ The Apostle could not write, so he asked Ali to erase the expression: ‘Apostle of Allah.’ On that Ali said, ‘I will never erase it.’ Muhammad said, ‘Let me see the paper.’ The Prophet erased the expression with his own hand."

Qur’an 5:101 "Believers! Do not ask questions about things which if made plain and declared to you, may vex you, causing you trouble." Qur’an 5:102 "Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account they lost their faith and became disbelievers."

Qur’an 40:32 "O my People! I fear a Day when there will be mutual wailing. No one shall defend you against Allah. Any whom Allah causes to err, there is no guide. That is how Allah leads the skeptic astray."

Qur’an 2:6 "As for the disbelievers, it is the same whether you warn them or not; they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts, upon their hearing, and a covering over their eyes. There is a great torment for them."

Qur’an 8:30 "Remember how the unbelievers plotted against you (Muhammad). They plotted, and Allah too had arranged a plot; but Allah is the best schemer."

Ishaq:323 "I am the best of plotters. I deceived them with My guile so that I delivered you from them."

Qur’an 8:71 "If they try to deceive you, remember they have deceived Allah before."

Bukhari:V5B59N369 "Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said, ‘Yes,’ Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.’"

Qur’an 61:5 "Moses said: ‘O my people, why do you annoy and insult me, when you well know I am Allah’s Messenger?’ Then when they turned away, Allah caused them to be deceived."

Qur’an 13:27 "Say, ‘God leads whosoever He wills astray.’"

Romans 3:7 is not commending lying. It’s Paul arguing that humans when lost are in denial about their own (lack of ) righteousness, so are ‘liars’. So he’s using a Greek or rabbinical type technique of adopting a view and then talking about it hypothetically with an "I", to help a reader with that attitude think things through. He uses the same type of style of address in other places in Romans. Eg Romans 7:25 "So then I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin" is not talking about Paul’s actual current position of faith, but talking about a unborn-again Jew, and the problem with that.

Those Quran passages are pretty clear though. Mohammed really needed to steep his understanding in Biblical knowledge, but he didn’t. This is why also Mohammed was unbiblical in his treatment of mockers: God expects patience and forbearance. We see where Mohammed’s unbiblically-approved impatience has led when we see the attempt of a Sudanese migrant to murder Kurt Westergaard (who did some cartoons about Mohammed a few years back), or threaten to execute a teacher for naming a teddy bear ‘Mohammed’.

Posted January 5th, 2010 under Umrah Guide. RSS 2.0 feed. Leave a response, or trackback.